I am posting the main modes of the Major scale and then when I have the 7 diatonics posted I will show you how they fit together and how you can use them to play lead over the whole fret board.
Al…
Scale Modes – Lesson 7 – F# Locrian W/tablature – Solo Lead Guitar
#1 by Hertsman50 on October 13, 2009 - 3:09 pm
From what I understand. You don’t need to know all the different shapes, just need to know the major scale shapes. If I want a dorian sound over an Emajor chord then I would just play the parent scale D major pattern starting from the E note of that pattern and it would sound like Dorian because the second scale chord in key of D is Emin, is that correct? Same for all the other chords, just work out which parent scale it belongs and play the parent scale starting from the chord’s root note?
#2 by dkblanke on October 13, 2009 - 3:46 pm
You’re kind of in the right track. You typically wouldn’t play a dorian mode over a major chord. You can play different chords with different modes to get a totally different modal sound.With that said, what you did, Playing the D major scale, starting with E, would indeed be playing an E dorian over your E major chord.Try playing that over an E minor chord instead. Then you would get a better feel for the dorian mode becuz your playing a minor mode over a minor chord.good jobkeep jammin’
#3 by oregonskateok on October 13, 2009 - 4:16 pm
Funny, I spend most of my time with a classical pianist.
#4 by dkblanke on October 13, 2009 - 4:27 pm
Do you know what enharmonic means?an F# is exactly the same as a Gb. Their Diatonic roles may differ in theory only but in practical application they are the same. Not many people are going to say “we’re in the key of G so I should’ve played a F# instead of that Gb”, practically speaking.Also, you can learn intervals for chord construction by learning intervals for scales they are tightly integrated.
#5 by oregonskateok on October 13, 2009 - 5:02 pm
Yes I know what enharmonic means. If we are in the key of G I would hope the person would know that the leading tone is an F#, given the key signature. G to F# is a major seventh, and I believe G to Gb (moving up the scale by the way) is a Diminished unison in context.
#6 by dkblanke on October 13, 2009 - 5:49 pm
sorry I blew up
#7 by oregonskateok on October 13, 2009 - 6:03 pm
Your missing the point of modes. The fact that they have the same notes as the “parent major scale” is not important. You cannot play modes over a progression in the key of their parent scale. Example, You cannot play B locrian over a C major progression, nor D dorian, E phyrgian etc. Learning modes based on positions is just a way to remember them, it has nothing to do with their application. A dorian is related to closer to A minor, then G major.
#8 by dkblanke on October 13, 2009 - 6:05 pm
Actually, you can play a B Locrian over a C major progression, as well as D dorian, and E phrygian, that’s exactly how they fit together. The key is important as a strong base in music. Of course when you start more advanced improv, you can shift modes over various chord progression, depending on how they resolve. That doesn’t mean you can’t play A Dorian over a C major progression, you just have to be careful of your tonal centers.I demo these exact things in my vids.thanx
#9 by oregonskateok on October 13, 2009 - 6:30 pm
B locrian requires a tonal center of B. They are not interchangeable like you are saying. If you are referring to Jazz playing, they dont play modally they just communicate through modes. D dorian requires a tonal center of D, E phrygian E, etc. Play those modes over C major, and it will sound like C major. Play E phrygian over an E minor and F major 7#11 vamp, and you will hear the phrygian sound.
#10 by dkblanke on October 13, 2009 - 7:13 pm
I am not saying that they are interchangeable. If you play B Locrian, D dorian or E phrigian Over a C major progression it is correct. I don’t disagree that applying the modes differently is another story.If you play the F lydian over a Fmaj7#11 vamp you will hear the lydian mode, heck if you just play the chord it will have a lydian feel to it. But you don’t start out learning maj7#11 or 13th chords. You start with maj and minor and maybe a min7b5 for the locrian.